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Death Penalty call backed by MP

Post by purplepig20 » Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:13 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-14372659

Andrew Turner said a full Parliamentary debate should take place about whether it should be brought back for those who killed children or police officers.

Ok, so why are children's and Police Officers lives more important than anyone else's? A life is a life, regardless of whose it is. Can't have one rule for some and another for everyone else. :slhmm:

Do you agree with his statement or not guys? Interested to hear your views!
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Post by JN491777B » Tue Aug 02, 2011 2:06 pm

I believe that the death penalty should not be brought back in the UK. I also agree that a life is a life and just because you are a child or a police officer, the government cannot go around picking and choosing who's life is more important. I am sure if someone killed one of them (MP) they would soon then be adding MP'S, Judges, Prison Officers to the list.

I also do not think you can punish someone for killing someone by killing them. It would just be sending the message out! You give someone the death sentence for killing someone yet its ok for us as citizens to kill someone legally just because they did it.

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Re: Death Penalty call backed by MP

Post by Easylife » Tue Aug 02, 2011 6:13 pm

After a number of years in the Prison service,I simply don't think our judges and legal system are up to it ,to many mistakes and too much back peddling.New technology showing up the mistakes of the past.
Plus it goes against the rehabilitation agenda of our prisons,although admittedly so does the imprisoning of the mentally ill.
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Re: Death Penalty call backed by MP

Post by Spring heeled jack » Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:19 pm

Mixed emotions on this one, but my belief on the matter is this, i believe that society has forgotten what death is, to some of us, its a transition to an other life, but the fact is, someone has taken a person off this world for good, before their time, and has destroyed a family and more, it saddens me to see such unimportance attached to murders, ive had a wonderful life, i've travelled the world seen many sights, but have seen so much death,destruction and the heartache that it brings, to hear the scream of a mother who has just been told that her daughter is dead is ever so frightening, to see a father crumple to the floor crying shouting pleading to have their child given back to them, to take a baby to the mortuary, then one hour later, escort the parents to the chapel of rest(before getting there, the mother collapses on the floor again screaming to have her child given back), to hear of a soldier who has been blown up fighting a cause, that really shouldn't be there,this has happened so many times with me, its my life,a very good dear friend of mine was killed by a motorist, the last bit made me laugh.....victim surcharge, although the money is aimed at helping victims, the title is a bit cruel, anyway although i disagree with the death penalty, i believe that some of the ways that people are murdered/tortured in some cases, should be reflected in the punishment, i cannot believe that the reason these Government's, past and present, assist people to get out early(by the back door in some cases, since these Governments don't openly say its their policies, but instead tell us that the courts and the varies other parties involved decide on the release), simple because they do not want to spent money, we have 80,000 + but i can promise you that the criminal family out their is a lot bigger, and until we see a length of time spent behind bars that is appropriate and is also a major deterrent, after all who would think of doing what joe bloggs did, if they had to spent 10 years, no probation, no early release, no 3 strikes, i bet they wouldn't think he was a hero with asbo's anymore.

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Post by pkc » Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:39 pm

KILL EM ALL....LET GOD SORT EM OUT ! ! !
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Re: Death Penalty call backed by MP

Post by Orderly Dog » Wed Aug 03, 2011 4:35 pm

The Death Penalty will never come back in this country.

Will only come back if MP's, Politicians or Judges start getting murdered.

Would be back in now if the IRA had killed Maggie at Brighton - period.

Having said that - the long term cost savings must be appealing!

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Post by Koda » Fri Aug 05, 2011 6:36 pm

It will only ever happen if we leave the EU as protocol 13 of the convention of human rights guarantees the right to life and explicitly forbids the death penalty.
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Re: Death Penalty call backed by MP

Post by COflyontheWALL » Sat Jan 14, 2012 2:04 pm

Orderly Dog wrote:The Death Penalty will never come back in this country.

Will only come back if MP's, Politicians or Judges start getting murdered.

Would be back in now if the IRA had killed Maggie at Brighton - period.

Having said that - the long term cost savings must be appealing!

There are no cost savings. The average cost of trying a Death Penalty case here (US- East) is $3,000,000. Add to that the additional costs of incarceration and security because a prisoner under sentence of death shakes out at the very top of the security classification no matter what country or system you happen to be in, and you have to factor in the endless appeals by the prisoner. By the time the condemned are actually executed, the cost of the whole circus is 5-10 times the cost of the trial and full term confinement of a prisoner sentenced to life.
Plus, you have to factor in the politicians- It's a matter of expediency and appearances. Having a Capital Punishment statute is one thing. Actually using it is quite another.
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Re: Death Penalty call backed by MP

Post by Bodybelt » Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:46 pm

The position I start from is what would be an appropriate punishment if someone murdered me and I'm not around to see them in court?

The death penalty ticks that box.

If someone is opposed on moral grounds then its a waste of time arguing the toss. If its about statistics then several time more murderers have been released to kill again (or even while in prison).

A good read is the chapter of Peter Hitchens book 'A Brief History of Crime' - Cruel and Unusual punishment. Not sure if its in the later editions.

Its hard to imagine that France was still chopping people's heads off until 1977. What goes around comes around. As this country descends into more violence and murder capital punishment will always be on the agenda. t will take a collapse of the current political party establishments for it to be re-introduced. Until then we will have to put up with anti-death penalty politicians voting to drop bombs on innocents thousands of miles away.

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Re: Death Penalty call backed by MP

Post by dogman » Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:14 pm

As a young officer starting out in a dispersal(eeh when i were a lad)i had 2 lifers who had been released, then killed again, & one who'd been released & raped. We also had a chief 2, who had done death cell duty, he said, "at the end of the first week i thought he was guilty, at the end of the second week, i was sure he was guilty, and at the end of the third week i could of hung the bastard myself ".

I also attended a meeting given by the then chief prison officer, of i think Botswana, who was addressing a lifer group, "In my country you would all be dead"(great opening speech !). When asked the question, if he thought the death penalty was effective, he replied,"every person i have hung, & i have hung a lot of people, has never ever committed another crime ". Good old Joe.

As officers we have to ask ourselves, if it was to be re-instated(it never will in my opinion)could we play our part if required ?, i would support the re-itroduction, and would be prepared to do the death cell supervision, would you ?.

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Re: Death Penalty call backed by MP

Post by COflyontheWALL » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:20 pm

dogman wrote:As a young officer starting out in a dispersal(eeh when i were a lad)i had 2 lifers who had been released, then killed again, & one who'd been released & raped. We also had a chief 2, who had done death cell duty, he said, "at the end of the first week i thought he was guilty, at the end of the second week, i was sure he was guilty, and at the end of the third week i could of hung the bastard myself ".

I also attended a meeting given by the then chief prison officer, of i think Botswana, who was addressing a lifer group, "In my country you would all be dead"(great opening speech !). When asked the question, if he thought the death penalty was effective, he replied,"every person i have hung, & i have hung a lot of people, has never ever committed another crime ". Good old Joe.

As officers we have to ask ourselves, if it was to be re-instated(it never will in my opinion)could we play our part if required ?, i would support the re-itroduction, and would be prepared to do the death cell supervision, would you ?.
Rob

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I support Capital Punishment. I truly believe that the Death Penalty, properly legislated and fairly implemented has a place in western society. Criminals kill people under horrendous circumstances in every country, regardless of whether there is a death penalty statute in force in that particular jurisdiction, so I don't believe that it is really that effective as a deterrent. I do believe, however, that it is a great cure for recidivism, especially when you are dealing with violent sociopaths- As the Chief from Botswana put it rather succintly, dead killers never kill again. I also think it does provide closure for grieving families of murder victims. Bloodthirsty as it may sound, revenge is many times the best healing balm.
As for myself, if I were murdered I would want my family to have whatever punishment meted out that would provide them the best closure and sense that justice had been done, which would most likely be seeing the offender put to death. If it were just me with no one else involved- I have a nasty little early Victorian era cell with bad plumbing and worse neighbors in mind...
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Re: Death Penalty call backed by MP

Post by COflyontheWALL » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:23 pm

Sorry Rob- My quote and reply got mixed up with "Rob" appearing below my text...
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Re: Death Penalty call backed by MP

Post by dogman » Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:37 pm

COflyontheWALL wrote:Sorry Rob- My quote and reply got mixed up with "Rob" appearing below my text...
No problem, i think you have summed it up very well.

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Re: Death Penalty call backed by MP

Post by Janissary » Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:10 pm

I could never support the Death Penalty, and wouldn't help carry it out or even work in an establishment where it was carried out. I do support life sentences with no parole though for those who are truly beyond ever becoming decent members of society, no cushy treatment for them either.

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Re: Death Penalty call backed by MP

Post by COflyontheWALL » Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:33 pm

Janissary wrote:I could never support the Death Penalty, and wouldn't help carry it out or even work in an establishment where it was carried out. I do support life sentences with no parole though for those who are truly beyond ever becoming decent members of society, no cushy treatment for them either.
That's understandable, and I respect your position. There are definitely two camps on this subject, and neither is empty...

Capital Punishment is a moot point in my neck of the woods, anyway. The politicos don't have the collective will to enact a statute that has any hope of ever producing an execution. Then again, they can't agree on what to have for lunch.

I've said it before- If The People really wanted Capital Punishment, the politicians would have no choice but to enact a statute and see it carried out. The population at large doesn't care enough about it to see it brought back, so why should we?
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