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Police handcuffs, restraints and spray to be issued

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Post by Huntsman22 » Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:51 am

This may be helpful although not sure whether the use of pava spray in an enclosed environment will incapacitate you just as much as the prisoner
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Post by bluinfernouk » Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:00 am

All good and well, but as with every 'trial' in this beloved country of ours, everything always takes 134 years to "roll-out" for general use... and then banned again within 3 days after the 1st incident as itll be deemed to breach everyones 'well-earned' human rights.

(Spit hoods, anyone)

But yes, if it goes to plan (and if it is a direct burst emission rather than a 'spray', which could engulf us too) then it could be good news for all of us in the future too.

PS, I'm pro wearing bodyworn cameras, which should already be a given anyway imo)
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Post by roninwarrior83 » Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:27 am

Step in the right direction but the main problem I see is it won’t work on someone out of it on a psychoactive drug......

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Post by Huntsman22 » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:08 am

Will it not? Surely the vision will be impaired which will at least give you a slight upper hand?
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Post by Moredread » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:54 am

Pava may impair vision but not the increased strength of someone on spice or mamba

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Post by SgtBush » Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:20 am

I'm in two minds......

Also dont believe everything you read in the papers, they have reported 4 prisons, one of the ones reported is wrong
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Post by roninwarrior83 » Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:24 am

I’d say it’s better to have it in the arsenal and it’s a positive step in the right direction but more is needed.

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Post by SWM5436 » Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:05 am

Step in the right direction along with the camera vests.
It’s too bad that stupidity isn’t painful. Ignorance is one thing, but our society thrives increasingly on stupidity

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Re: Police handcuffs, restraints and spray to be issued

Post by SgtBush » Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:08 am

Camera vests?
We have always had stab vests to use if necessary.
The cameras are clip on. The same as the police use.

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Post by Lthenewbie » Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:31 pm

I thought you could use cuffs anyway but you had to buy them yourself ... also you'd probs look like some copper

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Post by SWM5436 » Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:37 pm

SgtBush wrote:
Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:08 am
Camera vests?
We have always had stab vests to use if necessary.
The cameras are clip on. The same as the police use.
Body worn cameras Sorry, an extra 5600 have been bought for use
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Re: Police handcuffs, restraints and spray to be issued

Post by SgtBush » Sun Oct 22, 2017 1:00 pm

Lthenewbie wrote:
Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:31 pm
I thought you could use cuffs anyway but you had to buy them yourself ... also you'd probs look like some copper
Errr no!
At the moment only SO grade and above carry cuffs and they are issued, but our jail are on the tfial list. We will be issued rigid cuffs.

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Post by Lthenewbie » Sun Oct 22, 2017 2:47 pm

Thanks for the info sgt bush
What's a tifal list ?

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Re: Police handcuffs, restraints and spray to be issued

Post by Bovineofdoom » Sun Oct 22, 2017 2:56 pm

Lthenewbie wrote:
Sun Oct 22, 2017 2:47 pm
Thanks for the info sgt bush
What's a tifal list ?
I think it was meant as trial list. I could be massively wrong tho :-)

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