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Smoking free/ new offender management

Post by richard100121 » Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:00 pm

Has anyone’s prison gone smoke free yet? How’s have the prisoners handle it? I heard once your prison goes smoke free, it is a criminal offence to bring cigarettes in.

Are any prison officers trained up to be key workers yet? When they have a caseload of prisoners to work with?

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Post by SWM5436 » Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:03 pm

The establishment I am going to goes Smoke Free from the end of January, they had certain officers wearing smoking cessation T shirts and where the people the prisoners could approach for help and advice.
It’s too bad that stupidity isn’t painful. Ignorance is one thing, but our society thrives increasingly on stupidity

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Re: Smoking free/ new offender management

Post by Celticbhoy » Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:00 am

At the moment even if your establishment isn't smoke free then it's still an offence to bring in a prohibited item. Not a criminal charge yet but still banned from the prison so you leave yourself open for dismissal for gross misconduct.

Scotland goes smoke free from Nov 30th next year and from then it will be a criminal offence to bring them in.

Each establishment has been working on it for the last year with the addiction nurses providing support to any prisoners wanting it. I imagine it will be seamless in the LTP jails but I work in a big notorious remand jail where from that date anyone that arrives at the gates will be told you now no longer smoke 🚭.

Dread to think how many riots through Scotland I will be attending.

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Post by Bagpuss » Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:11 am

Establishment I'm down for is smoke free! No smokes on site. E-cigs (non usb) ok at the moment but will also be phased out. If you smoke it's outside at lunch or just use work hours to help break the addiction 😉
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Post by Twisties » Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:06 am

Smoke FREE is well overdue!
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Re: Smoking free/ new offender management

Post by Vicavac » Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:41 am

So... What do you all think? Why are prisons going smoke free? (I'm just interested in others opinion)

I stopped smoking 10 month ago so I'm more than aware of the health (and financial) benefits to it.

Are the government really worries about the health issues or is it going to reduce the smuggling/dealing/doing business in prisons?

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Post by Twisties » Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:41 am

Here is one reason: Every employer has an obligation to protect it's employees and customers (prisoners) from passive smoking
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Post by Celticbhoy » Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:02 am

Let's not be stupid the only reason it's coming in is due to the fact our employer doesn't want to be paying out for staff getting passive smoke related disease/illnesses. I have heard of few a unsuccessful claims for officers that have now got Copd or other lung problems but the evidence is growing and I reckon there will be payouts soon.

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Post by SWM5436 » Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:04 am

It's not a conspiracy theory to stop smuggling and dealing in prisons, it will probably increase it in the beginning in all honesty.
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Post by TangoVictor » Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:43 am

The prison I’m going too is now smoke free. When I attended for familiarisation they said that there was already rumours about the price of smuggling a pouch of tobacco in and the price was ridiculous.

They also said that most prisoners are okay with changes likes this as long as it’s not all of a sudden and there is a gradual reduction and they understand what’s going on.

Nobody likes surprises, right?
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Re: Smoking free/ new offender management

Post by Vicavac » Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:02 am

I'm guessing they will have set times to go out to the designated smoking areas...
Surely the risk of arguments in a small compound area is a risk isn't it?
I use to love the smoking area... You got all the gossip out there... but the prisoners... That's just asking for disagreements, market place, etc

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Post by Twisties » Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:27 am

I thought establishments were all going completely smoke-free?
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Post by TangoVictor » Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:33 am

They are i think. No smoking areas
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Re: Smoking free/ new offender management

Post by TheCat » Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:39 am

We've been smoke free since the middle of August.

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Re: Smoking free/ new offender management

Post by RaspaWas » Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:17 pm

I agree with it. I vape, but all establishments should be smoke free.

As should all town centre streets.

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